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In Search of: The Ultimate Designer PC General 2A
Thursday, August 30, 2007 Posted 06:43 PM
There’s probably not a day gone by over the past eight years without someone asking us about the systems and/or software that we use here at the Studio… And strangely, there still seems to be a huge amount of shock from those fighting the ongoing “PC vs. Mac” war, when we inform them that 98% of our systems are PC Based. In fact, 2Advanced has only one Mac in the Studio which has been tucked away into a dark and desolate cubicle, only to get dusted off and used periodically for testing related purposes.
But admittedly, it hasn’t been a very easy road to find the ‘perfect’ PC systems that will feed our obsession for speed and performance. Over the years we have tried nearly every mainstream provider such as Dell, HP, Compaq, and Sony (just to name a few). We have even gone as far to try some of the specialty builders such as Alienware and VoodooPC (whom have now been swallowed up by the monsters at Dell and HP respectively). But, they all have fallen short by our standards, generally slightly behind the curve in terms of adopting the bleeding edge stuff that makes us all drool.
So with that, we came to the conclusion long ago to invest countless hours building and tricking out our own systems. In fact, some of the more anal-retentive of us at the Studio (i.e. Tony), have latched onto the whole computer modding and system overclocking scene in an effort to squeeze out that last drop of performance from our systems.
Today, we have just completed a long overdue total workstation system upgrade effort here at the Studio (which actually started six months ago). And though it was somewhat of a nightmare, we can confidently say that we have raised the bar in our quest for the “Ultimate Designer PC”:
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Eric Jordan’s Workstation |
Brad Jackson’s Workstation |
CPU: |
Core2 Extreme 2.93GHz (Quad Core) |
Core2 Extreme 2.93GHz (Dual Core) |
Motherboard: |
NVidia nForce 680i SLI 775 (EVGA) |
NVidia nForce 680i SLI 775 (EVGA) |
Memory: |
8GB RAM |
4GB RAM |
SATA RAID: |
(4) 750GB – RAID 5 (Data Drive) |
(3)750GB RAID 5 (OS & Data Drive) |
CD-ROM: |
Sony Bluray RW/DVD Drive |
Pioneer CD RW/DVD Drive |
Chassis: |
Thermaltake Armor Series Tower |
Thermaltake Armor Series Tower |
Video Card: |
NVidia Quadro FX5500 1GB |
NVidia 8800GTX 768MB KO ACS3 |
Cooling: |
Water Cooling Koolance System |
Oversized Fans & Thermal Monitor |
OS: |
Windows Vista 64-Bit |
Windows Vista 64-Bit |
Floppy: |
Floppy Drives Bite… But Yes |
Floppy Drives Bite… But Yes |
Power: |
1200 Watt PSU |
1000 Watt PSU |
Card Reader: |
Silverstone 17 in 1 (CF / SD Etc) |
Silverstone 17 in 1 (CF / SD Etc) |
Audio: |
Onboard HD (MAudio Lags on Vista Drivers!) |
Onboard HD (MAudio Lags on Vista Drivers!) |
Key Apps: |
Adobe CS3 Master Collection, Cinema 4D, Sony Soundforge 9, Particle Illusion 3, Maya |
Adobe CS3 Master Collection, Sony Soundforge 9, SEPY AS Editor |
Performance: |
Vista Aero Rating Index of 5.9 |
Vista Aero Rating Index of 5.7 |
Appox. Cost: |
$9,250+ (Hardware Only No Monitor) |
$4,700+ (Hardware Only No Monitor) |
So, if you can swallow the price tag (which we are still trying to do on my computer), it’s best to keep in mind that the increase in productivity very easily makes up for the overall expense. Unfortunately, we have found that the best overall performance comes from the CPU (which the new 3.0GHz Quad Cores are coming in around $1,250) as well as the Graphics card (NVidia Quadro FX5500 is a ridiculously priced $2400 card).
But, the real trick to building your custom system involves a whole lot of hours testing, researching, and various troubleshooting failures. In fact, as you play with the bleeding edge products, and particularly if you decide to do a little CPU and Memory overclocking, there will be several times that you will openly curse the computer gods and crappy driver programmers (who are basically all located in China and Taiwan just in case you want to hunt them down and make them pay) – You may even throw your hands up and regroup to purchase a nice Dell System.
However, if you are game for investing what is left of your valuable free time… We’ve thrown together a few considerations that you may want to review before finalizing your component purchases:
- Windows Vista is quite new and still very quirky, but if you want more than 3GB of memory to be actually seen and usable by the computer you have to choose a 64-Bit Operating System. So, it’s either XP 64-Bit or Vista 64-Bit. (Sorry, but neither Vista 32-Bit or XP 32-Bit versions will address over 3GB of memory).
- SATA RAID is hands down a total nightmare. Definitely arm yourself with fast SATA II Drives and appropriately rated SATA II cables in order to get full bandwidth throughput, but also keep in mind that many of the drivers out there have serious “blue screen of death” issues. Our experience has been that the Intel SATA RAID chipset performs the most stable with Vista. Data protection is paramount in our business, but don’t discount a designer’s need for performance. A 3-Drive RAID 5 setup will outperform the typical 2-Drive Mirrored configuration (RAID 0) by a huge margin. Just note, hard drives fail often, so make sure you give special attention to your drive configuration and have a replacement standing by.
- Memory Modules vary widely, so be careful to stay clear of “cheap memory”. You really need to understand the basics on memory timing (i.e. CAS 5-5-5-12 Memory for example) and bus speeds, as this will have a very huge effect on the system’s performance. Also if you go the Vista road, consider buying a fast and sizable USB Memory device because you can get a noticeable speed bump if you configure the thumb drive using the new “ReadyBoost” feature in Vista. Our preference has been Corsair’s XMS2 Modules, and while they are a little pricy, the performance is well worth it. Just make sure that you use “matched pairs”, and try to get memory that matches your CPU’s bus speed (which really isn’t easy as CPUs continue to edge ahead).
- Choosing a Video Card can be a little tricky, particularly if you get sucked into all the NVidia SLI or ATI Crossfire hype. In short, the SLI and Crossfire stuff is great for gamers but doesn’t do much for a Designer. In fact, neither of our Studio’s 3D Apps (Maya and Cinema 4D) will gain any benefit from SLI or Crossfire technology. When you are considering 3D performance, or even performance for Adobe AfterEffects, the name of the game is still OpenGL 2.X. With video cards, you should really focus your concern on the drivers to make sure you are always staying current and if you are going to eventually add a Bluray or HD DVD drive, your video card must be HDCP compliant. We prefer the NVidia cards put out by EVGA (as opposed to MSI, Asus or XFX), and their support team are local and very helpful.
- When it comes to choosing a CD/DVD drive, we all have our preferences and the specs are pretty straightforward, but in terms of the emerging technologies the Studio is definitely going Bluray (BD) over HD DVD. First of all, Bluray made it to the PC faster than HD DVD and as of today they can tout several vendors producing drives, the data recording densities are currently greater than that of HD DVD (Bluray can hold 50GB of data as opposed to 30GB on HD DVD), and finally the cool ‘blue’ cases that their movies come in are much more aesthetically pleasing than that awful puke brown color that HD DVD adopted. Of course, it can be argued that movies such as The Matrix and Dune are only on HD DVD currently, but we are willing to hold out!
- Having finally cleared out the last of the massive 21” CRT monitors, everyone in the Studio is currently equipped with LCD monitors. For most of the people here, who have long since given up on constantly correcting their gamma, the most important considerations have been screen real estate, actual DVI connections and having a fast (8ms or <) response speed. Having searched high and wide, we found a company called Digital Tigers which has the ultimate in multi-panel displays and has basically chosen Samsung Panels for their offering.
- Last, but not least, you need to find the right Motherboard. Basically, this is a monumental pain in the ass to do. Anybody who has been at this stuff long enough knows just how difficult it can be, as companies like Asus, MSI, Gigabyte, Abit, etc. are all located in either China or Taiwan and they put out the worst documentation and barely functional drivers a great deal of the time (Not to mention they seem to discontinue a motherboard 3 hours after it is released, thereby killing the whole idea of ongoing support). Again though, we have had amazing success with the recent EVGA Motherboards (and they are located nearby in Brea, CA, making RMAs a breeze). However, the Intel brand motherboards have been a very close second. In either case, you need to evaluate all the cool connectors and features of your motherboard, because as new standards are coming out every day (i.e. eSata Interfaces, Consumer Infrared support (CIR), HDMI Interfaces, etc.) it is very easy to get confused.
Of course, this is by no means an exhaustive list of considerations, and it probably became dated as quickly as it was written, but hopefully someone will find at least one somewhat useful observation to take away. Also note, if you are considering overclocking, keep in mind that this is a very slippery slope that should be traversed with extreme caution (we have fried our fair share of components!).
So with that said, we have a bunch of photos that were taken this time around, for those who may be curious as to the level of detail we have invested here at the studio. The pictures here probably don’t do our systems much justice compared to other extreme modded system, so if you want to get some serious inspiration going we highly recommend watching some of the ModNation segments over at Youtube, such as this one here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1n79fsJ5sQ4
If after all of this, you agree that the Ultimate Designer PC is the way to go, we will simply end on the note that it can be fun and extremely rewarding. Here’s a bunch of links for the various companies that we have used for parts, information and whatnot.
- Newegg.com - http://www.newegg.com/ - Excellent prices and comprehensive availability of parts and components.
- Directron.com – http://www.directron.com/ - Our fallback supplier that we use, particular when availability of the “in demand” items is low at Newegg.
- Performance PCs - http://www.performance-pcs.com/ - For modding and customization parts and tools. Performance PCs may be a bit on the expensive side, but they have an excellent selection of stuff such as UV cables, custom connectors, and water cooling components.
- EVGA - http://www.evga.com/ - Our current preferred manufacturer for NVidia chipset based motherboards and video cards.
- Digital Tigers - http://www.digitaltigers.com/ - Our current preferred manufacturer for Multi-panel video displays.
- The Mod Nation - http://www.themodnation.com/ - Our source of inspiration and new ideas to keep trying when everything seems to be going to hell with our modding efforts.
- I Love Egg - http://www.iloveegg.com/eng_home/main.htm - A very freaky concept site that has absolutely nothing to do with this article and was placed here to be entirely random.
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Hi,
I am creating a spec for a machine im am having built at work.
I do alot of design for print and web, exhibition stands and the occasional video edit. I am really confused about wich type of graphics card to get a Quadro FX 4600 or 2 GeForce 8800 Ultras. Which would you recommend/go for if you had a choice.
Thanks
“the typical 2-Drive Mirrored configuration (RAID 0) by a huge margin.”
Wrong,
A mirrored configuration is known as RAID1. RAID0 is a striped configuration in which data is split between two drives for quicker access.
I think you may have made a typo. I would fix it ASAP, before the thousands of people who read this article start switching to unrealiable striped configs thinking their data is mirrored lol.
I agree that RAID5 is best for designers and developers. It provides both increased performance as well as increased protection.
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Hi again!
And what kind of HDD do u use?
Thanks
-Buruhazard
Buruhazard,
We mostly use Seagate harddrives.
-EJ
Hi 2A!
What kind of memory do u use? (kingstone?, kingmax?)
-Buruhazard
G.SKILL Memory
-EJ
Very interesting. I usea a Core 2 Duo too, and actually it is the best CPU. Do u know that there is a new Intel Core 4?, I just tryit and its great.
8 freak’n gigs of ram! That kills my poor 2gb machine.
Ahhhhh.. Tnx for the nice article, it helped me alot because I want to buy a new system for myself based on Video Editing and 3D Animation.. I just have a question, What monitor do you guys have? I’m planning buying a Samsung SyncMaster 245B, but I have red some reviews telling is isn’t the best monitor for visual aspects. I hope you guys can help me out.
Rogier
Rover87,
I use dual Samsung SyncMaster 204T’s.
-EJ
Thanks for the sweet information here. Am wondering if you guys have any specific wacky stories in the process of assembling these multimedia monsters to share?
Thanks for the 411!
Very insightful. I also wondered if the graphic cards had the same performance for gamers as it did for designers…
I also love the speaker with the 2A logo on them. Did you guys get them customized like that or did you use guys do that yourselves? If so, how’d you do it?
Basically, we disassembled the grills and gave them to a local friend who happens to be an exceptional Airbrush Artist. He masked each of the grills off and used an automotive paint (for durability).
Hmm,
If you get a chance, check out our competitive CS Source team at www.flawedexistence.ca . As far as competition based fps games go - CS Source is the fast rising star in the gaming world. It’s currently the top game in the newly formed CGS league you may have heard about/seen on DirecTV.
It’s definitely slower paced than Q3/4 but still quick enough to require 100% of your attention. =)
Most of us have been entrenched in World of Warcraft for the past year. I also play Quake3/4 and Nintendo WiFi Tetris.
I chose to build my work machine as well. Although I am a few gigs short of your astounding 8gb of Ram… that is just crazy. Your system must be smoking fast!
Do you guys ever catch a minute away from work to do any gaming? If so, what sort of games do you enjoy?
Really interessant article, thank you !
Wow, I’m currently building my new comp, I got the new Intel Core 2 Duo E6850, it turn around your CPU but, the other parts, make my beast look like a nothing anymore (* go cry in a dark corner).
Question: Are you searching for AS2/AS3 coder? I’m currently a game developer in Flash AS2/AS3.
@Kolumbic
“P.S.
Now what about laptops? :D”
Several of us have the Dell Inspiron e1705 with Intel® Core™ 2 Duo T7700 (2.4GHz/800Mhz FSB/4MB cache), 2GB RAM, and 256MB NVIDIA® GeForce® 8600M GT.
I used to think my laptop was fast… before getting my quad-core, 8gb of RAM beast.
It’s interesting to see a company like 2Advanced building their own boxes. Interesting in the sense that not only does their amazing talent of morphing colors and technical jargon into seamless and beautiful motions of god only on websites, but apparently it works in building some amazingly beautiful modifications…
Ever consider selling one of the obsolete boxes on eBay? With a website as popular as 2advanced, needless to say fan base, I’m sure you guys could have a pretty large impact in helping out.
P.S.
Now what about laptops? :D
Yeah, that’s the real deal!!!
If only i could afford such computers………
I Love Egg…lol.
I actually recently had talks with one of the biggest GSP’s (Game Service/Server Providers) in the business who has to work with hardware day in day out. In most cases the “cheap ram” thing is true - but he told me about memory made by “Super Talent”. Apparently this stuff is MADE to be overclocked without even beginning to go down the dangerous road of frying the sticks. Once you OC them - you can get similar performance to the big boys for half the price.
He’s been using them for years and according to him it’s the most consistent, durable and high performing memory he’s tested in his machines. Just thought I may add that little tidbit for anyone on building a budget PC. =)
Hi,
very excellent article Eric, thanks. But i have to stay (if i want or not) at my “not ultimate designer pc” and spare that little purse of mine. ;-)
PS: Hope u had a great gig @Future-Ape! Bye.
Very nice system. I’m still getting over the 8 GB of RAM!
Excellent article to share.